bbin体育 After teaching high school English for 8 years and grading 15,000 papers, Jeff created NoRedInk to help his students improve their writing skills. A National Board Certified Teacher, former debate director, and speaker on education innovation, he is intent on improving the feedback loop in classrooms and empowering students to become skilled, creative, and confident writers. He holds an MA in Education from the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, and a BA from Oberlin College.
Dui is responsible for overseeing Business Operations, People and Engineering, as well as leading and setting the company's technical vision. He has worked in a number of industries in the past 16 years, including telecom, healthcare, and security. As a non-native English speaker, it amuses him that "steak" is pronounced like "stake" and not like "streak" without the "r."
Steve leads our Marketing, Partnerships, and Customer Success teams. He has extensive experience working with high-growth edtech companies in executive roles. Prior to joining NoRedInk, he was the SVP of Sales, Marketing and Support at Scientific Learning, VP of Sales at Learning.com, President and CEO of Apta, and founder of NovaNet. Steve is energized by bringing products to market that help improve student outcomes. Steve has a BA from Williams College and an MBA from the Wharton School.
Jesper has been working with and advising early-stage technology companies for over two decades. He has a particular affinity for SaaS-based businesses and companies that try to solve actual problems that affect many people. He loves helping teams navigate the trade-offs they face when building their dreams: making strategic business choices, finding funding alternatives, and focusing on the decisions that actually matter. As a non-native English speaker who has always been a bit of a pedant when it comes to his native tongue (Danish), he is still frustrated when he doesn't have the perfect English phrase at the ready when he needs it. Jesper holds an MBA from Copenhagen Business School with a focus in Finance.
Rebecca heads up Product, Curriculum, and Customer Support at NoRedInk. She has spent the past 14 years leading teams and developing products that have helped millions of students become better readers and writers. Before joining NoRedInk, Rebecca was a product lead at another edtech company. She holds a BA in Sociology from Pomona College.
Hallie is charged with spreading the word about NoRedInk! For more than 20 years, she has worked with educational technologies that help learners of all ages build language, reading and writing skills. With a mind for metrics and the heart of an educator, she continuously searches for the words, images, and stories that compel today’s educators and students to learn and grow. When her mind is not consumed by edtech marketing, she is plagued by the ability to see typos on anything ever printed anywhere.
Chris oversees business operations for NoRedInk. Before this, he was the VP of Business Operations at Valimail and the COO at CertainSource. Chris is a licensed attorney in CA, NY, and D.C. and spent a decade on Wall Street prior to helping young technology companies grow. He majored in Finance and Economics at Towson University and graduated cum laude from Thomas Jefferson School of Law. He also helped found Community School for Creative Education in Oakland and has been a board member there for many years.
Stephanie works with the Curriculum Team to make NoRedInk's content rigorous and engaging。 Before joining NoRedInk, she taught middle school English in Madrid and created literacy curriculum and assessments for a charter network in New York City。 She holds a BA in Linguistics and Spanish from Georgetown University and an EdM in Language and Literacy from the Harvard Graduate School of Education。 Stephanie is delighted by regional variations in language like "wait in line" versus "wait on line。"
Connor grew up in rural California, cutting firewood and hanging with his hilarious family。 He holds a BA from Brown and an MEd from Stanford, and he's a trusty tutor with Reading Partners。 Before joining NoRedInk, Connor managed The School Fund, a startup crowdfunding site serving students in high-poverty regions of the world。 He sometimes sacrifices syntax for the allures of alliteration。
Blake draws on nearly two decades of experience in engineering to support the work, growth, and accomplishments of the exceptional engineers, team leads, and managers he has the privilege of working with。 Blake studied mathematics at the University of Chicago, which leads Blake's partner to believe he is at least minimally qualified to sum rubrics for her ELA students' assignments。 Joke's on her, and in retaliation, he regularly uses the ampersand in direct contravention of the MLA。
Richard helps create NoRedInk's user interface. Prior to NoRedInk, Richard architected a data visualization framework for high-throughput genomic sequencing, built a long-form writing web app that could be brought up and used offline, and worked for three other startups—two of which he co-founded. He has a bachelor’s degree in Computer Science and an MBA, both from Washington University in St. Louis. He nods approvingly when grocery store express checkouts are labeled "10 items or fewer" instead of "10 items or less."
Stacey works on making NoRedInk more intuitive and delightful to use. In the process, she is also relearning all the grammar rules she used to know when she wrote commentaries for NPR at Youth Radio. Prior to NoRedInk, Stacey designed and developed mobile and Facebook games at Zynga and created virtual gifts and themes on LiveJournal. Stacey sighs every time she opens a fashion resale app and sees the abundance of items containing "sequence," "heals," and/or "razor back."
Tessa loves solving problems and addressing new challenges in code。 Before joining NoRedInk’s engineering team, Tessa spent her time thinking about curricula, learning, and engagement in the context of teaching web development。 She holds a BA in Mathematics from New York University, where she also minored in History and in Middle Eastern Studies。 Tessa is a passionate advocate for the Oxford comma。
Michael leads the Sales Development team at NoRedInk. Prior to joining the team, he was a Sales Development Team lead for a consumer loyalty startup and a Sales Team Lead for a healthcare IT staffing firm. He graduated with a BS in Political Science from Santa Clara University. Michael moonlights as a Slam poet/Spoken Word Artist and loathes the 3-minute time penalty, as well as hyphen errors.
As a product manager, Christa makes sure that teachers' and students' voices are heard。 She loves getting to talk to teachers, learn about their experiences in the classroom, and glean insights about how to make NoRedInk better。 Christa graduated from Harvard with a degree in neurobiology and has done research in neuroscience, psychology, and education。
Michael keeps the servers humming, the assignments flowing, and all of his coworkers' bicycles in working order。 He was a web developer supporting super-duper scale at Scribd and a co-founder of a green-tech company。 He holds a BS in Computer Science from Columbia and he loves run-on sentences。
bbin体育 Alexander writes and edits content and performs technical quality assurance for the site。 He has a BA from Wesleyan, where he won awards in creative writing and taught chess to elementary schoolers。 The best typo he has ever seen is "hot hair balloon," and he’ll ruthlessly insert a "had" if he catches you using simple past instead of past perfect。
Lizzie helps schools and districts fully utilize their subscriptions to NoRedInk! Prior to joining the team, Lizzie supported schools and districts in a similar capacity, helping them to implement digital math curriculum resources。 She also taught high school students for Dallas ISD and served in AmeriCorps with a home rebuilding organization in New Orleans。 Lizzie is troubled when students incorrect use adjectives when describing verbs!
Caleb focuses on building relationships with schools and districts qualified for our Premium program. Before this, he worked in sales at Yelp, taught English and grammar for three years as a Peace Corps Volunteer in Liberia, and sailed the high seas as a deckhand on a luxury yacht in Central America. He holds a BA from the California Maritime Academy in Global Studies and Maritime Affairs and is always aware of how people use "further" vs. "farther."
Tereza is a developer from Copenhagen, who is passionate about simplistic design in any field, though this passion is mostly expressed within programming。 Having learned to program as a child, it is a natural part of her identity, but there is still space for more humanistic interests, like her enthusiasm for Russian literature and culture。 She thinks it's rather fascinating how you can see traces of the ideological foundation of a country through how their language is shaped。
Marc helps Premium schools and districts implement NoRedInk in the classroom. Before NoRedInk, he taught high school English for four years and advised student council in Colorado. He graduated with a BA in English and an MA in Teaching from James Madison University. In his free time, Marc climbs rocks and spends time wondering if words like "sesquipedalian" are self-aware.
Ben, or "Dansby" as he's known in some circles, helps design the NoRedInk experience, figuring out ways to make the site easier to use, nicer to look at, and more laden with great features for teachers and students. He's worked as a designer in FinTech and as a freelancer across industries from healthcare to robotics. Ben's a pretty good speller but is a firm believer in the mutability of language.
Paige works to make sure teachers and administrators get the support they need when using NoRedInk Premium。 Before joining NoRedInk, Paige worked as an English teacher in the KIPP charter network; before that, she was a Teach For America corps member in Eastern North Carolina。 She holds a BA in English from The University of Arizona。 She adores exotic punctuation marks and thinks the interrobang should make a comeback。
Stöffel builds jetpacks and build question types in Elm. He is an engineering manager who is enthusiastic to help his team grow. He's worked as a web developer, mainframe programmer, and karate teacher. Stöffel lives in Switzerland with his family.
Dave craves beautiful writing and believes every student can produce it. Before joining NoRedInk, Dave taught English at Berkeley High School for eight years and ran a middle-school summer program in Oakland. He earned his BA in English and Italian Literature from Stanford and his EdM in Teaching and Curriculum from the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Dave loves mixed metaphors, so he spends each day rolling up his sleeves and diving headfirst into curriculum design.
Juliano lives in Brazil and loves cooking singing cats and the importance of commas。 Their work is making sure our servers are happy as NoRedInk grows。 They're a Recurse Center alum who loves new approaches to education。
Jasper is a physicist from the Netherlands bringing thoughtfulness and perspective to engineering. Having previously worked as a high-school teacher, he understands the importance of expressing yourself in the simplest terms both in code and natural languages. Jasper likes to sneak Dutch expressions into English and act like it's the most natural thing in the world.
Ian brings 20 years of development experience from companies large and small. Just before joining NoRedInk, he was building and scaling social enterprise communication tools with Yammer at Microsoft. He became interested in NoRedInk because of Elm, but he loves the people and the product we're building and is learning new things every day. His Mum (an English teacher) hopes his grammar will improve whilst he's here!
bbin体育 Brian wants to make good software that helps people。 He often finds himself thinking about the difference between countable and uncountable nouns。
Ally spends her days navigating and building within NoRedInk's codebase. She comes to us after spending a year teaching programming at Hackbright Academy. In a previous life, Ally ran safaris in Southern Africa and kayak tours in the South Pacific. To whomever it concerns, she is particularly excited to have recently learned how to use "whom."
Luke works on the engineering team at NoRedInk。 Prior to joining NoRedInk he worked at a startup in Chicago and helped to found a software consulting company。 He is extremely, exceedingly perturbed by the ultra-serious problem of superlative inflation in American English vernacular。
Natalie works with the Curriculum Team to develop engaging content for students. Before joining NoRedInk, Natalie taught middle school English in Washington, DC, for six years. She holds a BA in Social Studies from Harvard and a MEd in General and Special Education from Lesley University. Natalie giggles when affected by the ineffective use of "affect" and "effect."
Juan worked on open source humanitarian and public health software projects before joining NoRedInk. He was also a TA at Concurrency and Programming Paradigms classes in Buenos Aires and loves helping teachers and students for a living. Although usually an even-tempered fellow, he's quite fond of quotation marks and dies a little inside when people use them for emphasis.
Ju is a tinkerer, explorer of worlds, and lover of all foods. He was born in China, grew up in Italy, and has lived in London for enough time to actually enjoy queuing. He has a MSc in Computer Science and has worked as a Ruby engineer for what seems like eons, although you probably could not tell since he has discovered the fountain of youth. He is a lover of linguistics and has joined NoRedInk to help fight the good fight. When he is not working, he is either reading psychology or rock climbing.
A tech-savvy lover of systems and games, Kristine has a BA in Spanish and Graphic Design, and she is currently pursuing an MS in Instructional Design and Technology. Prior to joining NoRedInk, Kristine worked in tech support and institutional research & assessment at an undergraduate college. At NoRedInk, she interfaces between product designers, engineers, support staff, and users alike to help improve the product and streamline internal processes. Kristine is endlessly amused that syntactically ambiguous sentences like "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
Max helps set the roadmap for what new features we will be building to help support teachers and students。 He holds a BA in Computer Science from Vassar and a BE in Electrical Engineering from Dartmouth。 Deciding that he was more interested in building products than designing circuits, he went directly into product management within the Edtech industry。 An avid reader of all things sci-fi and fantasy, he often gets corrected for pronouncing words incorrectly that he learned from books。
Anna works with the Curriculum Team to design engaging content for students. Before joining NoRedInk, she taught at an elementary school in Austin, TX. She has designed curriculum in a variety of non-traditional learning capacities over the years and spent time as an outdoor education facilitator. She holds a BA in Spanish from Hamilton College and an MEd in Curriculum and Instruction from the University of Texas at Austin. Anna loves hyperboles more than anything, but it's taken her an eternity to think of a good one to share here.
Nick attended Dartmouth College, where he discovered a passion for language during a semester in Italy. After graduating, he continued studying languages while serving as a Peace Corps volunteer in Haiti and Armenia. Nick holds an MEd from Smith and taught middle school before working at a nonprofit dedicated to mentoring high school students from low-income backgrounds. Nick thinks teaching idioms to his two young children is the cat's pajamas.
Summer works on the Partnerships team, where she strives to develop relationships with districts and schools on their path toward Premium. After graduating with a BA in Sociology from CU Boulder, she took off and traveled through South America. Her journey led her to Nicaragua, where she worked as a program coordinator for a nonprofit. Summer is a sucker for alliteration, especially when it comes to sounds synonymous with her home city, Santa Cruz!
Originally from the UK, Sam taught English in Spain and Germany before becoming a curriculum designer at NoRedInk。 Sam holds a BA in German and Linguistics from the University of Oxford and a postgraduate diploma in TESOL。 As a linguist, Sam loves spotting increasingly subtle differences between US and UK English。
As a member of the Partnerships team, Casey helps schools and districts level up with NoRedInk Premium。 Casey grew up as a renegade in her early years, often pushing the limits of the household rule "no books at the table。" She graduated from Scripps College with a BA in Psychology and a deep appreciation for liberal arts education。 Casey loves cronuts, skiing, and the Oxford comma。
Katina helps the Curriculum team work their curriculum magic! Before NoRedInk, she spent several years at another edtech company; before that, she studied linguistics at the University of Chicago and worked with a delightful bunch of gifted teens. She loves especially apt eggcorns (preying mantis) and rebracketings (but that's a whole nother story).
Heather helps schools and districts make the most of their partnerships with NoRedInk! Prior to joining the team, she was a middle school teacher for seven years and later worked to support school districts implementing instructional software. Heather is enthusiastic about English instruction because the language doesn’t always make sense; if it did, a catastrophe could be an apostrophe with fur!
Akash works with schools and districts to make the implementation of NoRedInk as smooth and delightful as possible. Before joining the team, Akash taught in various K–12 settings, including a self-contained 7th grade classroom and an 11th grade AP English Language classroom. He holds a MA in Teaching from the University of Chicago and a BA in Political Science from UC Berkeley. Ironically, Akash comes to NRI with a deep admiration for writers who defy convention—willing to turn the signposts a little to the left, or perhaps bold enough to tag them up with an aerosol can or two.
Anjali helps schools and districts fully utilize their NoRedInk subscriptions. Prior to joining the team, she worked as an analyst and account manager at Gartner; before that, she held internships at the Department of Education and the Brookings Institution. Anjali graduated from George Washington University with a BA in International Affairs and always cringes when she hears the incorrect usage of "less" vs. "fewer."
As a member of the Support team, Kristina assists and advocates for the teachers and students that use NoRedInk. Kristina graduated with a BEd and BA in English & Sociology and previously taught pre-K at international schools in Asia. She loves the reciprocal nature of teaching and was constantly inspired by her bold young learners. Most recently, Kristina is pursuing her passion for education and technology. Prior to NoRedInk, she worked in tech support at another edtech company, and in her spare time she dabbles in basic programming projects. Kristina is fascinated by language learning, specifically the way in which students’ native languages and cultures can scaffold new language acquisition.
bbin体育 Cindy spent her formative years in Taiwan and moved to the US when she was 18 to attend Purdue University. Growing up overseas has helped her appreciate the challenges of learning and perfecting a language, so she's excited to share how NoRedInk can help students like her. Before joining NoRedInk, Cindy spent eight years at JPMorgan Chase providing the best solutions for her clients' needs. She's excited to do the same for teachers at NoRedInk. Cindy chuckles when she can spot grammar errors that she used to make!
bbin体育 MP does a little bit of everything to keep operations running smoothly. With a passion for helping people, funky glasses, cats, and getting stuff done, she's found a wonderful work family at NoRedInk. She gets a little excited when she uses semicolons in sentences; it's the little things in life.
Brendan works with the Support team to help NoRedInk's teachers, students, and parents. He has a BA in Theatre and spent the past few years writing comedy music in Chicago. Before joining NoRedInk, Brendan worked in support and operations for other software companies. He advocates for the British spelling of "theatre" when talking about an art form and the American spelling of "theater" when talking about a building.
Kerry ensures that all of her partner schools and districts utilize their NoRedInk Premium accounts to their fullest potential. Before joining NoRedInk, Kerry was an elementary school teacher and more recently worked to spread her love of blended learning in the southern United States. While she currently resides in Texas with her husband and two young children, she was once an avid beachgoer as she earned her degree in early childhood education at Coastal Carolina University. Kerry would like to remind everybody that a preposition is not the best part of speech to end a sentence with.
Lindley comes from a long line of grammar enthusiasts. Prior to joining NoRedInk, she got to work with inspiring administrators and teachers across the country supporting their use of edtech in the classroom, which built on her background as an elementary school teacher in middle Georgia. Educational folks are her people and she is interested in helping Premium users make the most of NoRedInk in their classrooms and schools. Lindley earned a BS in Early Childhood Education – Holistic Child from Mercer University and a MEd in Early Childhood Education from GCSU. She lives in Atlanta, GA with her fiancé and their dog, enjoys running in her free time and always has a song in her head! Lindley would like to remind everyone there is a big difference in asking if they "can" or if they "may" do things.
Ary cares about simplicity, usability and performance。 This led him to create the Crystal programming language, which he currently develops in his free time。 He enjoys learning spoken languages。 As his first language is Spanish, he had to work hard to learn that there's no implicit subject in English。 Is very important that you remember this!
Janayn is a member of the School Partnerships team and helps to build schools' interest in NoRedInk’s Premium program. Before joining NoRedInk she worked remotely as an online ESL tutor for students in China and as a marketing assistant for a food safety software company while traveling through southeast Asia and Turkey. Before working remotely, she worked as an admissions officer for both the University of Texas Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences and Sam Houston State University, helping students get accepted and find success in their departments. She holds a BA in Mass Communication from Sam Houston State University. Janayn enjoys connecting with people from all walks of life and is delighted by learning key words and phrases in new languages while traveling. She’s always surprised by how people confuse “quiet” with “quite” but loves to help proofread other people’s writing.
Kathryn is focused on maintaining NoRedInk's track record of hiring talented, passionate, and inspirational team members who also happen to be amazing(-ly fun) to work with. She came in with 14 years of recruitment experience, spending the majority of them at fast-growing tech startups. She went to the University of Colorado, where she earned a BA in Psychology and an unofficial minor in hiking. In her spare time, she indulges her love for travel, nature, and photography whenever possible and will shamelessly plug her Instagram account at the mere hint of an opening to do so. Though a reluctant convert, she now fully embraces the use of an Oxford comma and the single space after a period. If nothing else, the latter saves you an additional value-neutral keystroke and, as they say, oceans are just a collection of single drops of water.
Diana ensures that educators have the best experience while using NoRedInk Premium。 Student advocacy has always been a passion for Diana。 She began her career as a bilingual and dual language teacher in Texas。 Prior to NoRedInk, she specialized in implementations for an edtech company that supports English language learners。 She loves writing snail mail, puppies, and University of Texas football!
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Matt works to delight and educate customers using NoRedInk Premium, bringing a combined ten years of experience in the classroom and e-learning to the table. He was an elementary and junior high school teacher in Japan for five years and caught a serious case of the travel bug along the way. After heading back stateside, he began working in edtech and hasn't looked back since. Matt knows it's acceptable to use "entitled" when referencing a book or article but isn't happy about it.
Denise works on the Partnerships team, where she helps schools and districts upgrade to NoRedInk Premium. Before joining NoRedInk, she worked in sales and management for another edtech company. She developed a passion for writing when she worked as an editor and reporter at a news radio station in college. She holds an MA in Audiology from the University of North Texas. She is amazed how often people confuse "your" and "you're."
Sheryl is passionate about helping students learn and has dedicated her career to spreading the word around literacy solutions and quality instruction! Sheryl works with schools and districts as they explore and adopt NoRedInk Premium. A classically trained singer, Sheryl entered the classroom as a K-6 music teacher. Over the last decade, she has worked as an account executive for a large children's literature publisher, a writing technology company, and a professional development and coaching provider focused on Birth-Five programming. Sheryl loves silly children's books and ridiculous songs, and her newest addition to the library is "The Dinky Donkey"!
Eileen joined NoRedInk as a school partnerships representative in 2019。 Prior to becoming a NoRedInker, she spent five years at Learning A-Z, where she led the New Business Development team for the United States。 Her love of motivating people has kept her career focused on servant leadership and the growth of others。 She cherishes her free time with her husband of 20 years, her son, and their beloved pittie。 She also leads a team at her church, adores architecture, loves designing interior spaces, and revels in the hot AZ sun。 #itsadryheat
Lisa helps build interest for NoRedInk Premium at the district level。 Previously, she was an educator for TK, kindergarten, and first grade。 Lisa graduated from UC Santa Barbara with a BA in Global Studies and a minor in Asian American Studies。 She loves traveling, food, and grammar jokes!
bbin体育 Andrew is responsible for helping school districts using NoRedInk develop a path to Premium and reach their maximum potential。 Before NoRedInk, he worked for Scientific Learning for eight years, partnering with school districts to help their lowest performing learners reach their reading and academic potential across multiple subject areas。 His favorite language issue is phonics and phonemic awareness。 Helping his own kids understand how speech can be segmented, or broken into small sounds, and how these sounds can be put together puts a smile on his face every time they "get it" and learn。
Brian leads the field sales efforts in the northeast part of the U.S. Just prior to joining NoRedInk, he worked in edtech sales/publishing with other products for eight years. Before that, Brian spent 14 years as an educator, the last nine of which were as a school administrator. He resides in upstate NY with his wife and two sons. Brian finds subject-verb agreement errors especially troubling.
Bonnie is an account executive, working with people who are gathering information about our platforms. She is a dog-loving, travel-adventuring, book-reading, craft-making individual who embraces the outdoors. Her family and friends are her focus, and she is forever trying to beautify the world with paint, plants, and antique furniture. You can find her volunteering her time at her college sorority, local charities, and church activities. She loves people and is more than happy to talk about anything and everything—especially how NoRedInk can change the world of a junior high or high school student!
Rachel works on the Partnerships team, where she helps teachers and students by introducing them to the amazing benefits of NoRedInk Premium. She has been in the edtech industry for roughly ten years, helping students become better readers and writers. Misplaced modifiers are one of her favorite grammatical errors because they can be good comic relief.
Jon works to ensure schools can efficiently and successfully use NoRedInk to teach writing. He has spent his entire career in K-12 education, most recently as the program director for a national literacy nonprofit supporting under-resourced public schools. Jon graduated from the University of Southern California with a degree in psychology and business administration. When he's not working, Jon enjoys backpacking, playing golf, reading science fiction, and urging others to use the Oxford comma.
As a sales development representative, Kelly connects with users of NRI's free product and builds interest in our Premium version. Before this, she taught first and second grade and developed place-based curricular units. She also coached soccer for first and second graders! Kelly has an MEd from the University of Michigan and a BA in Anthropology and Religious Studies from the University of Rochester. When she was in the classroom, she loved seeing phonetically correct creeaytiv spellings and the buzz of a classroom learning about onomatopoeia.
James has managed accounting functions at several companies over the last 15 years. He lives in Concord, where his wife is a teacher, with kids in the Walnut Creek school system. James enjoys watching hockey, playing guitar, and traveling.
Lucas enjoys collaborating with colleagues to solve all kinds of problems as part of our Business Operations team。 Prior to NoRedInk, he worked at BCG, Chicago Public Schools, and nonprofits in Brazil and the US。 He holds a BS in Economics from the University of São Paulo and a joint MBA/MA in Education from Stanford。 As a non-native English speaker, he finds it tough that he can cough and think through things, but he can't know how to pronounce these words just by reading them。 It's okay, though。
Heather ensures that teachers can use NoRedInk to deliver high-quality writing instruction to all students。 Before joining NoRedInk, Heather worked as an instructional coach and English teacher。 She holds a BA in Political Science and History from The Ohio State University and an MA in Special Education from Dominican University。 Heather loves to read sci-fi and fantasy, and she is known to drink coffee at all hours of the day。 Exclamation marks are her favorite punctuation, but she has to stop herself from using them too often!